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I am completely frustrated. Because of a variety of software jobs in video and technical jobs in production, I have all the experience to get me going in a full fledged career creating motion graphics using cool tools like After Effects. I have never failed at moving into a new field I liked, but every time I go look at the job listings, my whole system freezes up and frankly, I just want to throw up. Corporate logos? Slick, sexy ads about violent TV shows? Ads that make you feel insecure so you reach out for their products? Blech! Gratuitous violence to evoke the ever-hungered adrenalin rush? Eye candy that isn't designed to mean a thing? Blech! My soul won't let me even lift a finger.
I know that good After Effects artists are hard to come by but where in the world are the filmmakers and business owners with any conscience? Don't they think that goodness, honesty and inspiration can draw people to them?
Some guy told me recently that he wished there were more women in the field because they would change the nature of motion graphics in our culture. I think he is exactly right. I do think that more men could have the courage to design from their hearts, too.
I did a search in Google for "Non-Violent Motion Graphics" thinking SOMEONE must have started something, but no, nothing came up. That's the next movement I am going to start.
:::And what's up with the AE 5.5 logo? That's pre-text tool, baby. Does the moderator know we are on CS3? :::::
I know that good After Effects artists are hard to come by but where in the world are the filmmakers and business owners with any conscience? Don't they think that goodness, honesty and inspiration can draw people to them?
Some guy told me recently that he wished there were more women in the field because they would change the nature of motion graphics in our culture. I think he is exactly right. I do think that more men could have the courage to design from their hearts, too.
I did a search in Google for "Non-Violent Motion Graphics" thinking SOMEONE must have started something, but no, nothing came up. That's the next movement I am going to start.
:::And what's up with the AE 5.5 logo? That's pre-text tool, baby. Does the moderator know we are on CS3? :::::
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Re: Non-violent Motion Graphics
Sun, February 3, 2008 - 2:54 PMsounds like you are someone who wants to start doing something to make a difference. you've vented. now, just do it. a bad attitude won't get you very far, so figure out what you can do to address the source of your frustrations.
post a new photo. email the moderator and ask him to change it. if you notice, this tribe was started in 2003. people in this field of business stay busy and appreciate when others step up to help contribute, even for the little things like keeping the image current.
corporate logos aren't violent on their own. if a company is a contributor to violence and that is the make or break for you, then don't even apply for work with that company. don't accept the project if you are solicited by a company that goes against your personal belief systems. there is plenty of work out there. the violent content wouldn't be there if there wasn't a demand for it. that doesn't mean you have to contribute to it. not all tv shows are violent.
at least you have the advantage of knowing what you don't want to do. start focusing on what you want and just go for it. there are plenty of women in the field, many more than when i started 8 years ago. its not equal yet, the season is ripe for some change and activism. be the change you want to see in the world. -
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Sun, February 3, 2008 - 4:19 PMI'm on it! Thanks. -
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Sun, February 3, 2008 - 8:21 PMI can relate. I decided never to work for COca-Cola again, and I still won't. I can't deny it's really damaged my employability though.
There aren't going to be that many jobs in motion graphics that make you feel *good* about our culture, frankly.
News agencies might be a place to look for a position, though. I'd suggest some but I'M NO FOOL -
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Mon, February 4, 2008 - 8:37 AM=)
I had this vision of making a beautiful reel that is made in exactly the way that I believe would be truly "good medicine" for people and at the end having a quick title saying, "Give me a project I can believe in."
Good to hear about your decision. I AM SO PROUD OF YOU. That couldn't have been easy. But when you think of the villages that have been destroyed by Coca-Cola and the people who have been threatened, beat up or killed trying to organize a union in their plants, you know you did the real thing. killercoke.org/
But with that kind of experience you have incredible skills now to make something absolutely wonderful!
I have always found a myriad of eclectic jobs so I don't have to make decisions like that based on how the rent is getting paid... I do believe that the more life-giving media we put out there, the more we can shift the balance. I don't need a lot of money. I need to be living my life in tune with my values. I need to be making motion graphics. So I will break out of my box soon and so see what's out there.
I'd be happy as a clam working at a public tv station. I don't need thrill, fame or pride. I just want to make beautiful things that are meant to seed more beauty, not hook someone's pocketbook. You see all these kids in school for animation and motion graphics and what do they make? Exactly what they see out there.. They are not creating at all; they are regurgitating something I wish they didn't swallow in the first place.
Soon, my work load will be down to nill so I'll get on it and start dreaming up some lovely things to put to motion. -
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Re: Non-violent Motion Graphics
Sun, March 23, 2008 - 11:52 AMIf all you want is to create beautiful pieces, maybe this isnt the best field for you. Motion graphics is heavilly-based on clients. It's very commercial. You can't create whatever you want and then slap a company or product logo on it. Your piece is limited to that companies image and style and purpose. Clients want motion graphics that will promote their product/service and when they see motion graphics for another successful company (like Apple), they want similar things. Thats why so much of the stuff we see on television looks the same. Each year, there are new motion graphic trends. If you refuse to deliver that to the client, they will find one of the hundreds of others willing to do so.
You can do the motion graphic thing to pay the bills, but I think the pieces you will truly be happy with will be personal projects you do for yourself in your spare time.
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Tue, March 25, 2008 - 2:30 AMThank you Tasara. Believe it or not, you're the first person to put it that way. I'm seriously touched.
Thank you. My face is a little hot, now.
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Sun, April 20, 2008 - 8:43 AM:) We are here for each other.
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Re: Non-violent Motion Graphics
Wed, April 9, 2008 - 8:22 AMthere is no clean money. if you get cash from a lovely project, there's an excellent chance it was dirty right before they got their hands on it, or not long before. yes you do have to draw the line somewhere, but short of that, i presume the money will, at least temporarily, be used for something fairly conscious as it leaves your hands; soon after that it will get scuzzy again. Wishing for it to be all black and white is going to make you wrinkly and grumpy sooner than you'd like. There are way suckier jobs in life than pumping out graphics for megacorps. but i wish you luck in finding something satisfying. you might have to invent the opportunity yourself. -
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Re: Non-violent Motion Graphics
Sat, September 13, 2008 - 6:02 PMI agree with Jake,
And my experience has been that, the food chain in most cases is as follows.
Company that's advertising(I.E Coca-Cola) > Advertising agency, manages the entire campaign from billboards to commercials > Motion Graphics Company > you the motion Graphics Artist.
So Coca Cola is going to have an broad idea of what they want the Advertisements to look like, then the Advertising Agency is going to be hired to conceptualize them and manage their production, And the Agency is going to come to your company with a pretty clear and solid idea of what they want, and hire your company to execute it.
So by that point I don't really see how you are going to dramatically change the theme of the piece you are doing. You're going to have pretty tight guidelines on what you need to do and a lot of times be provided elements that you have to use and focus on. And those elements may be violent or over sexualized in your opinion.
And you can always say no but I think it would be damaging to your reputation.
I relate to your frustrations 100%, and I would love mass media to change in the way you're describing, but I don't think it's practical to make the change you want to make as a motion graphics artist, even if you had 100 motion graphics artist by your side male or female.
If you want to make these changes I think that being a Creative Director at an Advertising Agency would be the ideal route to take. Then you will have some real influence on not just the motion graphics, but the billboards, radio spots, and commercials.
Good Luck and God Speed!
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Re: Non-violent Motion Graphics
Sat, October 25, 2008 - 8:49 AMThe reason for motion graphics is to re-inforce a message.
There are tools of the trade in doing this. Such as sexy, violent, humorus and so on. You mention your tools of the trade (AE, FCP, C4D...) yet you criticise anothers (i.e. the account manager or creative director)?
The goal of any campaign is to deliver the client message to the target audience. Doesn't that sound very militaristic? It also sound logical if you don't view the world through a violent colored lens.
So that is the reason for the project and in between the start and the end ideas, concepts, revisions and final delivery occur. In larger environments and bigger budgets, more poeple are involved. This is causes a homogenization to occur. Approval from client is always crtitical and the safe road is mostly traveled.
Which brings us back to concepts. Most people, even and epsecially the target viewer, are aware of the psychological relationship of images to concepts. That is why sex does sell and an explosion will attract your attention. So the goal of a good agency is to match the client message to proven, and safely recognized concepts.
So when you talk about changing the state of motion graphics, you are really talking about changing the way we program those concepts into our ourself and children via TV. I have only found one cartoon that is entirely violence free and I can't remember the name of it. How is that for marketing? It is the one where Fred Savage (Wonder Years) is the voice of a blue octopus. Every episode is the same, just different journeys. All other cartoons, even Dora, involve some kind of deception, trickery, and using violence as a justifiable solution to problem solving.
Kids love those cartoons about fighting, powers and magic, mystery solving and beating the bad guys. This kind of imagery reinforces their own "Heroic-self" which is a well documented part of the human psyche. So when I look back to my past I am not suprised to find that I too am attracted to those concepts that stimulate the heroic self.
That is why my first inclination of making the tire ad a bit more exciting to make it leave a skid mark on the road. And the skid mark should have smoldering flames. It is the first time in the history of our entire recorded planet that the human species can sit at a desk and simulate flames and liquid and physics in a virtual environemnt. Till now, these concepts only lay in the realm of words.
I think you stated it in your first sentence. You are frustrated. But your frustration really lies at the heart of the human experience, just like us all. Your only choice is to decide if you want to be unemployed and frustrated or employed and frustrated. I have experienced both points of view and find that it is better to have the money to buy a bottle of wine and enjoy pesto on bread than eat ramen noodles. -
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Sun, October 26, 2008 - 12:26 PMNo, no, no, no, no. The tools of your trade are not sex, violence, humor, etc.
The tools of your trade are all the tricks and finely developed techniques that:
1. put someone in a trance
2. prolong it enough so that the audience's defenses are down
3. insert an idea, image, brand, product as deep as possible, preferably linked with an emotion or an object/concept they desire
You know this. This is Branding 101. As the brain thinks in images, not words, this is one of the most powerful tools of manipulation on the planet. I even go so far as to call it magic.
Which emotions and desire you choose to use in that process are up to you, and greatly reflect an underlying sense of VALUES. There are infinite possibilities in this realm. All it takes is enthusiasm and another thing that seems to be lacking in much that is out there, creativity.
So, I am a pagan. I refuse to practice magic that harms. What the corporate media does is often insidious, thoughtless, motivated by greed and lacking in any value system that I can align with.
To those that have been posting: "This is how the system is run. Get on and ride or get off and starve." I have to say, hey guys, can you be a little more creative? That's the only choice? Think outside - no - think about the box. Is your reputation more important than your values? Or - in country that is living off the fat of many impoverished countries - your lifestyle? Pesto or Ramen? I don't think so. If you have the skills to do stuff in After Effects, you have the skills to do a lot of other things, too.
But that doesn't mean that I will fail in finding a way to follow a calling to work in a medium I love. Or to create visuals that heal rather than encourage isolation and hunger for things we do not need and that may be bad for us.
I have faith that the field is exploding. Creative Cow had a great article this summer on that topic. I also think that if a company truly has a product that is good for people and maybe also has business practices that are good for the environment, the community and their employees, it's definitely saleable just as it is.
People are so jaded that they don't believe that a "target market" might be one that actually cares about the world and themselves. How did we get this far? Well, one thing is proliferation of the wrong values through the media. And creative directors who won't take a stand on their own values... or perhaps haven't spent enough time figuring out what their values truly are.
Holding onto one's values does not go hand in hand with safety. Or with following roads well-traveled, so it seems. -
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Re: Non-violent Motion Graphics
Tue, November 11, 2008 - 10:34 AMHolding on to your values can mean letting go of your paycheck. Then you are not a creative director anymore. You are just some guy/gal who needs a job.
The client is always right no matter how hard you try to lead them down the rightpath, they will alawys pick the worst comp/concept you offer up to them. There seems to be a murphy's law associated with approval.
The probelm is not the creative director making the wrong decision he/she can only chose the lesser of two evils. The problem is the client wanting it! So maybe you should tell your client that they are wrong for wanting it. See how far that gets you. There are a ton of people just waiting to fill your shoes when you stand by your convictions and say "No I won't do that." The client will say fine and hire someone else. -
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Tue, November 11, 2008 - 12:08 PMSo, you are saying that you feel that there is no possible way to pay your bills without compromising your values?
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Wed, November 12, 2008 - 12:20 AMYes there are tons of things you can do for a living without compromising your values. And for the most part I believe motion graphics is not one of them.
But who's to say that an ad agency could create there own niche of classy advertising campaigns, and just market themselves as an ad agency who will represent your product elagently.
This I think would be possible. However a much larger mission then being a "concious" motion graphic artist. -
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Re: Non-violent Motion Graphics
Wed, November 12, 2008 - 6:47 AMIt depends on who you choose to work for. If you get a gig doing graphics for the World Wild Life fund chances are you won't be crossing any more lines. If however are doing work for a video game company that makes Silent Hill or something like that then you liable to be crossing some bounderies. When your first coming up you have less of a choice of who you work for (some call it paying your dues), as you progress in the field you can find yourself in a place where you can steer the kind of work you get.
I often times, when presented with values challenged material, will work to present the subject in the most socially responsible way that I can. I think of it as kind of being a double agent.
There are several agencies that have a certain image and pander to certain clients. I would imagine that getting into one of them would take good networking skills.
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Re: Non-violent Motion Graphics
Wed, November 12, 2008 - 9:58 AMWell, I am sorry that so many people feel that working in a field of choice is more important than what happens to the condition of their soul when consciously or unconsciously crossing their own moral boundaries. Not to mention how compounded this becomes, because in this field when one crosses one's boundaries, one is creating massively influential media that encourages others (and their children) to confuse their own moral boundaries. Being encouraged to look for money, lust, violence for nightly fulfillment instead of love, friendship, spirituality, cooking, dance is a seriously f-ed up thing, folks.
Where are the garage bands? We need garage motion graphics teams. People who make great shit for FUN. I am really grateful for everyone's comments because believe it or not, this thread is greatly influencing my career decisions. You are probably saving me a lot of trouble in going out in the field to find the same things you are talking about. I may try to beef up my software training career so I can have more time to work in my own personal motion graphics garage band. TIME is everything. Time is freedom. And maybe along the way I'll meet more people who want to join in - the art form has a higher production value when more talent is involved...that's what garage bands are for. Oh there's the fun aspect, too.
Do you think that maybe some of the hope from the Obama campaign will filter through into this dark and gloomy forest? -
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Re: Non-violent Motion Graphics
Wed, November 12, 2008 - 1:04 PMAre you familiar with Siggraph? They are an organization visual scientists that concern themselves greatly with the advancement of all things visual graphics. I think you'd find some kindred spirits there.
I for one don't view the world of motion graphics as at all gloomy. -
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Re: Non-violent Motion Graphics
Thu, November 27, 2008 - 12:15 AMA friend of mine is a senior code guy for EA and recently designed the interface for the latest Star Wars game ("something of the Force or what have you there" or similar). He's been huge in the digital graphics / motion world, and, despite his utter immersion in 'the biz', he'd agree with all the basic points and stances Tasara expresses. Strongly. -
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Thu, November 27, 2008 - 8:45 PMION he said working for LucasArts was all that you dreamt it might be and more plus gorgeous girls with blistering intellects.
My reply to this news: "Send me a pint of your blood or I'm going to hex you" -
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Fri, November 28, 2008 - 11:43 PMha ha ha! Thanks for the insights. Good to hear that gorgeous blistering intellects are working for Lucas Arts, especially the blistering intellect part.
I hope everyone is had a good Thanksgiving. I started watching the extended Lord of the Rings, as I do every year at about this time and this year I am going to watch all of the special features discs. My goodness there's a lot of stuff in there. Using motion tracking to create a hand held camera for the 3d environment? Cool!
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Tue, December 2, 2008 - 5:56 AMHi Silent Knight,
I went to Siggraph one year, when I worked for Adobe. It was amazing. The majority of the workshops were above my head I could barely last a half hour...pretty focused towards engineering the software. Wow, that year they had a massively packed session on how they did things in the Matrix. Hair follicle and stuff. But then it went off at a dizzying pace into the code world. The same with Electric Sheep -type stuff. It was certainly great to feel all the creative passion for making tools.
I hung out in the screening rooms and watched tons of independent animation. I still have the videos from that year. There were a few great discussions. -
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Tue, July 14, 2009 - 11:45 PMJust to let y'all know how I am progressing... I am progressing.
Here is my start:
www.dryadspool.com -
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Tue, August 4, 2009 - 8:39 AMgood for you Tasara!!!!! -
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Mon, September 7, 2009 - 12:46 PMThanks, SK. I am so thrilled to be working on a theatrical, visual-spiritual experience with a friend who is a talented didj player and performer. This is opening lots and lots of joy and creative exploration for the both of us!
We can do anything.
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Re: Non-violent Motion Graphics
Sun, November 30, 2008 - 6:50 PMI know this may come off sharp, but maybe you hold your values too high?
What's next, no Zombie movies? Is it ok for the dead to walk?
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Sun, November 30, 2008 - 9:59 PMI don't mind you asking. I don't think there is much more important in life than one's values. It is not for me to say what your values are or whether one person's are better than another's. I do want to bring to light that there are a lot of people in a lot of jobs who are conscious that they are crossing their own values...and that the more people that do it in the Motion Graphics field, the more people who are being encouraged to do the same, through watching what such people produce. I started this thread (I think), honestly trying to find out if there was a crack in the industry some where, where I might find some work that I feel good about.
I have chosen a path of trying to make the world a better place with everything I do. That is who I am so, no, I wouldn't be thrilled to be working on a zombie movie. A spaceship powered by butterflies? Now that sounds really creative. ;] -
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Sun, November 30, 2008 - 10:37 PMWouldn't that result in the death of thousands of butterflies? -
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Mon, December 1, 2008 - 11:01 AMIt depends upon how you built it. -
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Mon, December 1, 2008 - 12:26 PMOh no, I know! The butterflies are so enchanting that everyone on the ship goes "ahhhhh!!", bringing them to a state of enlightened bliss. This in turn is generated through sensors and converted into the power for the engine. Much dancing occurs and the butterflies fly around the banquet. Sheer pleasure.
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Re: Non-violent Motion Graphics
Sat, November 29, 2008 - 12:14 PMThis ends up being one of the sanest, smartest, and most generally-valuable threads on tribe.net, in my opinion. We've all got our views, and we're expressing variant beliefs and ideas, and yet we're all being pretty darn civil and all saying important things with earnestness and compassion.
Good stuff. You folks make me feel pretty good, over here, hey. -
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Sat, November 29, 2008 - 5:52 PMhaha yeah, well we don't want to act like jerks, and then, end up sharing a desk in a month.
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